I think he's actually bothered by the fact that I'm NOT "stalking" him, or meddling, and it bothers him.
Kara Peregrine (2/28/2009 2:42:44 AM): Oh, and BTW, the whole "My relationships are 'nonya'" comment... If there is someone that my children are going to be around, it MAKES it my business. If a relationship progresses to the point where the person IS going to meet the children, I have every right to know about them and who they are. If you think differently, you have no respect for a parental role, at all.
Dan (2/28/2009 1:54:47 PM): Actually I have read through a few of those and am processing it all. I think my biggest issue though, is that it should be up to my discression. I will not argue that there are very good ideas in there and yes the kids are probley looking to cling to someone new. So yes I totally get it, I just still feel kinda controlled by you if I give you this, I will possible agree to this but I need to think on this and I believe that there are other things that do need to be addressed, things that are within what you have already put into those papers that I believe need to be enforced a bit more. Let me think about this though for a day or so and I will get back to you though.
Kara Peregrine (2/28/2009 1:57:42 PM): The REASON for the parenting agreement is to take the "discretion" out of problematic and concerning areas.
Dan (2/28/2009 2:02:04 PM): like I said, gimmie just a couple days to think about it
Kara Peregrine (2/28/2009 2:03:14 PM): I was just making sure you understood the reason for the agreement in the first place. If you're "thinking about it" what was the point of this message? What other things need to be "enforced" more?
Dan (2/28/2009 2:05:39 PM): your whole thing about partners remaining civil, I want to basically quit hearing all the comments all the time about sex and what not from your significant other, that and i want you and him to quit stalking me online. pretty reasonable I think
Kara Peregrine (2/28/2009 2:07:30 PM): Comments about sex? You say plenty of them yourself. As far as stalking you online? WTF are you talking about? Seriously.
Dan (2/28/2009 2:09:07 PM): james is always checking up on me on ok cupid for sure that much I know. but telling people I have aids also was kinda crossing the line and I feel that things like that need to stop, I want my privacy, and the meddling within my relationships to stop. I mean you guys have harrassed people I was seeing in the past as well and that I do not want to happen ever again.
Kara Peregrine (2/28/2009 2:10:36 PM): Um... the AIDS thing was something that was told to ME by one of your ex's... so shouldn't you be worried about HER saying the shit too? I told ONE person... and you act like I drive past your house every two hours or some shit. How the FUCK do you seriously think that I'm meddling in your relationships? Are you SERIOUSLY that fucking paranoid?
Dan (2/28/2009 2:10:37 PM): as far as the talk about sex, I do try to play it off but quite often, I do say, I really do not want to see or hear something and he continues anyway.
Kara Peregrine (2/28/2009 2:11:02 PM): And what has been said about sex that's so offensive and awful?
Dan (2/28/2009 2:11:06 PM): you harrassed crystal, kris as well as cheyenne online
Dan (2/28/2009 2:11:25 PM): and the aids thing should have been brought to me first
Kara Peregrine (2/28/2009 2:11:37 PM): Harassed Crystal? You TOLD me to take my concerns to her.
Kara Peregrine (2/28/2009 2:11:40 PM): Did you NOT?
Dan (2/28/2009 2:11:59 PM): yea, but you want from concern to attack, you have trouble with bounderies
Kara Peregrine (2/28/2009 2:12:38 PM): So, wait, you never saw any chat logs, but yet, you pretend to know how things were said?
Dan (2/28/2009 2:12:51 PM): I have seen some
Kara Peregrine (2/28/2009 2:13:11 PM): According to YOU, there were NO chat logs because she didn't have access to her own internet.
Dan (2/28/2009 2:13:24 PM): oh wait, with krystal, no I did not see any
Dan (2/28/2009 2:13:32 PM): with the other two, yes
Kara Peregrine (2/28/2009 2:13:41 PM): Chat logs with who, Kris?
Kara Peregrine (2/28/2009 2:13:47 PM): WTF? I said ONE THING to her.
Kara Peregrine (2/28/2009 2:13:57 PM): That was in a Fubar SB.
Kara Peregrine (2/28/2009 2:14:11 PM): As far as Cheyenne, I never even TALKED to her online.
Dan (2/28/2009 2:14:11 PM): lol, yeah but you sent other people to harass her, either you or james did
Dan (2/28/2009 2:14:20 PM): james used to text her all the time
Kara Peregrine (2/28/2009 2:14:57 PM): She'd texted HIM first!
Kara Peregrine (2/28/2009 2:15:41 PM): As far as "harassing" Kris, I'd told a couple people why I was upset... they did it on their own.
Dan (2/28/2009 2:17:33 PM): so I could not take it to them
Kara Peregrine (2/28/2009 2:17:42 PM): Why couldn't you?
Dan (2/28/2009 2:17:52 PM): because I do not know who said it
Kara Peregrine (2/28/2009 2:18:17 PM): Or, how about you let people fight their OWN battles and stop stepping in the middle of everything?
Kara Peregrine (2/28/2009 2:18:23 PM): Get over the Jesus complex, will ya?
Dan (2/28/2009 2:18:39 PM): huh?
Dan (2/28/2009 2:18:45 PM): what are you talking about?
Kara Peregrine (2/28/2009 2:19:22 PM): I mean, what was the point of telling me to take my issues with Krystal TO Krystal, if when I said anything that upset her, she came running to you and you intervened?
Dan (2/28/2009 2:19:22 PM): do we have to resort to name calling here?
Kara Peregrine (2/28/2009 2:19:31 PM): Who called who names?
Dan (2/28/2009 2:19:41 PM): you just said I had a jesus complex
Dan (2/28/2009 2:19:48 PM): and I could care less about krystal
Kara Peregrine (2/28/2009 2:19:53 PM): That is not name calling, it's saying you have a Jesus complex.
Dan (2/28/2009 2:19:56 PM): I am talking about in the furture
Kara Peregrine (2/28/2009 2:20:06 PM): If you couldn't care less about her, then QUIT FUCKING BRINGING IT UP!
Dan (2/28/2009 2:20:16 PM): I cannot walk on water but damn if I could do the fish and bread trick it would save me money
Kara Peregrine (2/28/2009 2:20:59 PM): Christ.. it's kind of funny that you'd say "wait for me to show that I've changed" and shit, over and over and over again over the summer, but the only examples of stuff that you have of stuff that's "bothered" you are at least six months old.
Dan (2/28/2009 2:21:14 PM): the aids thing isn't
Kara Peregrine (2/28/2009 2:21:20 PM): I mean, seriously, if these things that you bring to me are all you can come up with, you have NOTHING to bitch about.
Dan (2/28/2009 2:21:33 PM): stalking me on ok cupid happend a couple weeks ago
Kara Peregrine (2/28/2009 2:21:58 PM): So, you're saying that if someone sees an online profile of someone they know, they aren't to check it out?
Kara Peregrine (2/28/2009 2:22:02 PM): You checked me out too
Kara Peregrine (2/28/2009 2:22:05 PM): So?
Dan (2/28/2009 2:22:29 PM): I checked it out after you made the aids comment on there to someone
Kara Peregrine (2/28/2009 2:23:10 PM): I was telling what an ex of yours had told me. How was I to know that it wasn't true? If I had ASKED you, I'd have been accused of butting into your sex life, and you fucking know it.
Dan (2/28/2009 2:23:41 PM): you guys know I have a profile on there, what more do you need to know, the fact that you have contacted people I have on there crosses bounderies, and on the aids thing , you would have a right to know if I did
Kara Peregrine (2/28/2009 2:24:05 PM): Besides, the things in the agreement ARE being followed... the civility is to occur IN FRONT OF the children.
Dan (2/28/2009 2:24:38 PM): soooo, basically you are saying you will not leave me alone?
Kara Peregrine (2/28/2009 2:25:09 PM): And how the fuck would I know WHO you have on your OK Cupid profile? People don't leave comments, people don't show up, etc... you send messages... so the only thing that anybody gets out of looking at your OK Cupid profile is laughing at spelling and grammar errors.
Kara Peregrine (2/28/2009 2:25:43 PM): And who ISN'T leaving you alone.
Dan (2/28/2009 2:25:51 PM): you found at least one
Kara Peregrine (2/28/2009 2:26:12 PM): I didn’t know where you talked to her from, I remembered you talking about her over the summer, and I wasn't even sure if it was the right one.
Dan (2/28/2009 2:26:36 PM): sooo, some random person you are going to say that you suspect I have aids to? that is nice
Kara Peregrine (2/28/2009 2:27:09 PM): Umm.. I never said a last name, so if that random person didn't meet some dude from Plymouth named Dan over the summer, then it really wouldn’t matter to them, would it?
Dan (2/28/2009 2:27:44 PM): ok, well I can see that, but I just do not understand what is so hard about leaving me alone
Dan (2/28/2009 2:27:47 PM): seriously
Kara Peregrine (2/28/2009 2:27:58 PM): Hell, that night I sent 5 or 6 messages.
Kara Peregrine (2/28/2009 2:28:16 PM): Again.. WHO THE FUCK ISN'T LEAVING YOU ALONE?
Kara Peregrine (2/28/2009 2:28:23 PM): Please, share how you are being so fucking harassed.
Dan (2/28/2009 2:28:56 PM): I have told you time and time again, granted it has mellowed out recently but I want to make sure it stays that way
Dan (2/28/2009 2:29:17 PM): is that too much to ask?
Kara Peregrine (2/28/2009 2:29:36 PM): No, you have NOT told me time and time again, because none of your supposed complaints were valid.
Kara Peregrine (2/28/2009 2:29:44 PM): I talked to Krystal because you told me to
Kara Peregrine (2/28/2009 2:30:01 PM): I talked to Kris because she suddenly shouted me and told me that I needed to be committed.
Kara Peregrine (2/28/2009 2:30:22 PM): James texted Cheyenne because she texted first
Dan (2/28/2009 2:32:44 PM): ok, krystal it is true enough, she did say though that even after me and her broke up, that you continued to harass her, Kris, well I do know what happened there but I think having your friends step in was a bit much and never did I hear of an effort to prevent it, and cheyenne, well, she lied to me alot so I have no clue what to think of that. all I am saying is that I don't want to be harrassed, and if someone I am with initiates contact like has happened in the past, please share with me then so I know what is going on, is that cool?
Kara Peregrine (2/28/2009 2:33:37 PM): I NEVER talked to Krystal after that one or two days through messenger. After that, there was no contact what so ever.
Dan (2/28/2009 2:34:04 PM): she told me that up until I quit talking to her completely that you harrassed her
Kara Peregrine (2/28/2009 2:35:11 PM): As far as friends stepping in with Kris, by the time I even knew it was happening, it was well beyond anything I had any control over and I didn't even know who was involved myself, although I honestly don't believe that I have the power to start a chain reaction of that magnitude.
Kara Peregrine (2/28/2009 2:35:19 PM): I have a feeling that she was exaggerating the situation.
Kara Peregrine (2/28/2009 2:35:50 PM): And how, exactly, was I harassing Krystal?
Dan (2/28/2009 2:35:53 PM): how do you know it is exxagerated if you do not know what was said
Kara Peregrine (2/28/2009 2:36:13 PM): And if, someone you're with contacts me, if I choose to contact YOU, that's MY business.
Dan (2/28/2009 2:36:13 PM): she just said you continually kept messeging her
Dan (2/28/2009 2:36:59 PM): ok, well if you want me to not think you are harrassing me, head it off at the pass then and let me know, if you want me to think you are meddling, then be my guest and keep it yourself then
Kara Peregrine (2/28/2009 2:37:19 PM): You'd think what you want anyway, so that doesn't really matter.
Kara Peregrine (2/28/2009 2:37:46 PM): Just like now. There's no point in telling me that I tired of Krystal after about 3 minutes, and had no need to continue to message her.
Kara Peregrine (2/28/2009 2:38:26 PM): If there WERE any messages, they were responses to what she had said that she didn't get right away and happened to get the next time she'd logged in.
Kara Peregrine (2/28/2009 2:38:43 PM): If I was harassing her so horribly, then why did she talk to me a few weeks ago and say nothing about it to me?
Dan (2/28/2009 2:39:20 PM): I have no clue, me and her don't talk anymore
Dan (2/28/2009 2:39:31 PM): I just know what she told me
Dan (2/28/2009 2:39:41 PM): she told me that shit back in october
Kara Peregrine (2/28/2009 2:39:44 PM): Just like you only know what people tell YOU.
Kara Peregrine (2/28/2009 2:40:10 PM): Fuck, I didn't even know you were still talking to her in October...
Kara Peregrine (2/28/2009 2:40:17 PM): I would've given YOU shit for that one.
Dan (2/28/2009 2:40:48 PM): just chatted online a couple times
Kara Peregrine (2/28/2009 2:41:35 PM): The last time I tried to tell you that I was being told shit, you basically told me to fuck off, so that's not even going to be an issue again. It will all continue to be "nonya"
Kara Peregrine (2/28/2009 2:41:50 PM): Until the point where the children are to meet the person, and then it is my right to know.
Kara Peregrine (2/28/2009 2:42:15 PM): I've actually been TOO lax at not demanding to know who the children are spending time with.
Dan (2/28/2009 2:42:54 PM): hmmmm, well I have not introduced them to anyone that I did not introduce them to while I was living there
Kara Peregrine (2/28/2009 2:43:50 PM): I didn't know what all the people were like that the kids were spending extended periods of time with when they were with you.
Dan (2/28/2009 2:44:36 PM): I would not endanger our kids
Kara Peregrine (2/28/2009 2:45:00 PM): And you know people so well that you have left them with?
Dan (2/28/2009 2:45:34 PM): but I need to get off here, I have alot of things to get done today and I am already behind, gimmie a couple days to think about the 90 day thing ok
Kara Peregrine (2/28/2009 2:46:24 PM): That's one that I'm not comfortable budging on. If I have to, I will get an attorney to fight for that one, and bring reams of evidence stating that 90 days is more than reasonable.
Dan (2/28/2009 2:47:01 PM): let me think on it for a couple of days, OK
Kara Peregrine (2/28/2009 2:47:09 PM): And it's not because of anything other than the fact that I think it's important for the kids.
Dan (2/28/2009 2:47:27 PM): is a couple days too much to ask? I see your standpoint and I am only asking for a couple of days
Dan (2/28/2009 2:49:48 PM): am I not allowed to process and think about it?
Dan (2/28/2009 2:51:31 PM): well I got to go, I guess we talk about this later
For some reason, my chart blog didn't show up somehow, so it's getting deleted. I'll figure out how to blog it so it shows up correctly.


